Darth Vader Vs Kylo Ren
Making Star Wars said: 'Kylo Ren and his Knights of Ren are at the dark location together. The castle or creepy domain is owned by this “ape man” who agrees to help Kylo Ren fix his mask and to activate a device that will take him and his knights towards their goals. First, they must “reforge” the mask and then they’ll be ready to continue on their quest. There was ash involved outside which means it could be Mustafar.' Mustafar, of course, is where Vader's incredible castle stands atop fields of lava.Many reports have described Kylo and his Knights going back to the castle searching for Sith secrets and uncovering what Vader kept hidden there.
There have also been descriptions of Kylo and Vader/Anakin scenes where the grandfather tries to turn his troubled heir from his terrible path. Other reports describe Kylo seeking Dark Side objects and more in Unknown Space and the Beyond.One site describes Kylo meeting the monkey-like forger at Vader's castle on Mustafar. The creature helps with his helmet but also reveals a huge statue of Vader with a hidden door which opens to reveal secret artefacts, mystic objects and an unfinished Vader helmet without the top section.The leak adds: 'Kylo comes across a large box with a red kyber crystal inside. Kylo discovers a device glowing in a blue hue in the shape of a hexagon It is said this device originated in the Beyond and Vader was keeping it to use to find a certain location in the Beyond to find the origins of the Dark Side of the Force.'
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Message the mods for permission before posting established Star Wars related subreddits. Posts / comments can be removed under mods discretion. Mods have the final say.download or use The Rise of SkywalkerComment Spoiler Tag.If you want to make a spoiler all you gotta do is put '!' In front of and '!!Many Bothans died.! So, recently, a post comparing Hayden Christensen (Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader) and Adam Driver (Kylo Ren / Ben Solo) in their respective 'shirtless scenes' came up on my feed.I saw quite a few people comparing them, but I wanted to share my view on how they're different, in a way that I feel that a lot of Star Wars tend to overlook.To me, Kylo’s and Anakin’s respective bodies each reflect their different fighting styles.
This is what mainly separates Kylo Ren from Darth Vader, and, I feel, why some people and fans actively dislike Kylo, preferring Vader over him.Kylo / Ben has more of a heavy-built, paladin / knight, “warrior” type of muscle and build. This indicates much more intensive, heavier training, and complementing his aggressive, heavy, hack-and-slash, and close-combat “berserker” fighting type / style with a lightsaber.Even Leia refers to Ben as “a warrior” in Claudia Gray's canon novel Bloodline, and his body type definitely reflects that. He’s built for melee combat.Anakin looks more lithe, lean, and muscled in a way that complements his fighting style better. He’s got more of a dancer’s build, and is much more elegant, graceful, composed, and even artistic with how he moves his body and lightsaber.He’s more focused on forms and motion (and disabling, as opposed to killing, his opponent), which is an Akira Kurosawa elementwhereas his grandson Kylo is more about getting aggressive, heavy blows on the enemy.
Anakin strikes to disarm; Kylo strikes to kill.It also goes to show the stark contrast in how Anakin was trained by the Jedi - to deflect blows, and more of in a “martial arts”, Eastern fighting style (see below) - and how Kylo was trained by Snoke - more of a heavy-armor, Western (i.e. Medieval) fighting style.Even as Darth Vader, Anakin is shown largely deflecting blows with his lightsaber with a lot of spins, shifting, and flourishif you watch the PT where Anakin is fighting alongside his peers, just look at how “extra” he is with his movements, compared with the other Jedi in the background and around him.Kylo doesn’t display that same kind of finesse. He does have some spins in his movements, but whereas Anakin is more defensive, Kylo is offensive. It’s not just “Light side vs. Dark side”, either.Even as Vader, Anakin was calm, composed, and precise with his movementsKylo is much more raw, “untamed”, primal, and “monstrous”. (Rey literally calls him a 'monster'.) He strikes out with “kill blows” / a lot of force and momentum, aiming specifically for areas that predators in nature also do, particularly the neck.(For example, in TFA, when Kylo first confronts Rey, he literally brings the blade of his lightsaber up to her neck. Indicating that he could easily kill / decapitate her.)I feel that a lot of fans tend to lean more towards Darth Vader, not so much out of nostalgia (though that's an element as well), but because Vader seems like he knows what he's doing.
Instead of going in, all aggressive, into a fight like Kylo does - all anger and rage - Vader acts like combat scenes are mere child's play to him. He has an air of cool, calculated composure, one which is practically opposite to how Kylo fights.I’ll quote Megamind as to the difference between Anakin and Kylo:“Oh, you’re a villain, all right.
Just not a super one.”“What’s the difference?”“Presentation!”. I don't necessarily agree.The way that it's explained in canon is that while Anakin was very much a fan of other combat stances that were as much dance as combat, his change into Darth Vader forced him to adapt difference combat stances.His robot body was slower and heavier and he wasn't able to show that same agility that he had as Anakin. So he adopted a new combat style that focused on big two-handed power strokes, sweeping moves that allowed him to turn that slower robot strength into an advantage instead of a weakness.And since Kylo revered Vader, I suspect that he based his own combat style on Vader's strength-based sweeping style.Also, make no mistake about it, Vader was as much based in fury and rage and hatred as Kylo, he just kept it simmering, a cold hate and fury rooted very much in the perceived betrayal by Obi-wan and the Jedi. Kylo just had no idea how to chain and harness his fury, he let it control him and drive him, hence his temper tantrums. I sort of agree. I don't feel Anakin fights very defensively, and he kills a lot of people (and destroys a lot of droids). During his fight with Obi-Wan he's on the offensive almost the whole time, and also when he fights Dooku in Episode III, and he goes into berserker mode at the end of his first fight with Luke.
I do agree strongly that Kylo's style is much rawer and less disciplined, which suits his character. Both of them have problems with self-control but Anakin is still trained as a Jedi and can maintain his composure better whereas Kylo is just pure rage.For example, in TFA, when Kylo first confronts Rey, he literally brings the blade of his lightsaber up to her neck. Indicating that he could easily kill / decapitate her.That reminds me of how Anakin points his lightsaber at Palpatine's back where he could easily kill him, and does the same thing to Luke, and nearly beheads Luke at the beginning of their first duel. Also, of course, he crosses both lightsabers at Dooku's neck before Palpatine tells him to dewit. Anakin: most prominent form is form 5 - Djem so/shien. Focuses on defense and heavy counterstrikes.Death Vader: form 3 - Soresu.
Focuses on heavy defense (especially blaster redirection). As mentioned Vader focuses this form because of his limited mobility. Though I’m duels he more goes for form 2 - Makashi, a heavily aggressive form full of heavy blows.Kylo ren: there is no cannon answer on this but I’d say closest to form 2 when he’s berserker raging (but not actually a form, just him raging) but in duels like the throne room he shows actual form closer to 5. In Legends, Vader still used the same style as when he was Anakin, but modified because of his suit. I'm not sure about now though.Kylo ren: there is no cannon answer on this but I’d say closest to form 2 when he’s berserker raging (but not actually a form, just him raging) but in duels like the throne room he shows actual form closer to 5.Nah, Form II is the opposite of how Kylo fights. It's supposed to be graceful and precise. Kylo is raw and all over the place.
I would say Form I or V is the best fit. For both Vader and Kylo I was definitely confusing the forms 2 and 7. Any place I reference Makashi Juyo is the intended form.
Form 1 is barely a form (IMO) and could more accurately be called lightsaber dueling 101 instead of given its own form.So 7 instead of 2.I’d like to note though that neither form 1 or 5 seems to be all over the place to me, at least not any more so than the fencing like style of 2.As for Vader, I’m sure he still uses 5 but from my understanding (and from what I can quickly find on wookipedia) post transformation he leaned more on 3 (this is the form 5 evolved from and where blaster reflection became a real thing. For a slow juggernaut who rarely needs to dual anymore the resilience form make sense) and a mix of 7&2 when dueling (which would closely resemble 5 yet Vader isn’t listed as a prominent user of 5?)Not that he doesn’t use 5, duelists use most forms at some point in duels, just that its no longer listed as a major form of his and 7/2 makes more sense than 5 IMO.
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Anakin acts cooler, but then behaves like an idiot. Don't forget how he got into that suit.And then things don't change.Killing people for tiny mistakes means they never learn. Him showing off at the end of Rogue One instead of simply force pulling the plans means he's almost as responsible for the destruction of the death star as the rebels are.And then their best fighter and pilot, obsesses over his son, while the rebels take out their shield generator and blow up another Death Star.Meanwhile, Ben became a sleeper agent who destroyed Luke's dream and crushed his spirit. He convinced audiences to trust his version of events, where Luke wanted to kill him for no good reason at all, despite it being a lie.He decided to kill Snoke, on his own.People think he's expressing the theme of the movie, when he says to let the past die. There are people in love with him, in ways they never were with Anakin.He always loses control, but then regains it. And everyone underestimates him.I really want to see what he's capable of, now that he controls the entire galaxy.
Kylo Ren Vs Luke
What makes you think Ben's telling of events is a lie?The fact he killed his dad during a tender scene. And his fellow students. And is pretty okay with planetary genocide.vs.Luke's overwhelming sense of guilt. And his previous experience with fighting off darkside possession.Seriously, Ben's full of shit. Some of us have actually had family members try to kill us, and it's not like getting a Toys R Us shopping spree, where we'd feel totally justified in murdering everyone else.But most of all, because Luke would have totally murdered his ass if he really wanted to.